Template talk:Information
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Publication dates matter
Note that publication date can matter for copyright purposes in some circumstances, eg for "works for hire" and for unpublished works, published after the death of an author. In these cases, publication date is more important to record than the created date. Both may be important however. Could this parameter be added? JimKillock (talk) 21:31, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- I Support adding a seperate parameter for both dates, there should be some distinction between the two. Sebbog13 (talk) 21:59, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Sebbog13: Would "publication date" work for you? — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 02:40, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think it makes a lot of sense to add a new parameter to {{Information}}. It's specifically intended to be the "simple to use" template. If you have more complex needs you always have the option of choosing from the series of templates based on {{Artwork}}, which incudes {{Photograph}}, {{Book}}, {{Map}} and several others. These all support the "Publication date" parameter. In addition, if you really want to use {{Information}} and don't want to choose one from the {{Artwork}} series of templates, you have several other existing options for adding a publication date to a file using the information template: (1) embrace the simplicity and just mention the publication in the description or permission arguments, or (2) use the "other fields" parameter like "
| Other fields = {{Information field |name=Publication date |value= 2000-01-01}}", or (3) add the "publication date" using the structured data tab. —RP88 (talk) 03:15, 28 April 2024 (UTC)- I agree with RP88. Please use {{Book}} template for scans of published material. --Jarekt (talk) 12:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Also agreed with RP88. You can put freeform text in the Date field as well, meaning you can put two dates with labels of what they mean, and just use the {{ISOdate}} or {{Date}} or {{Other date}} templates to format the individual dates. There are other reasons for multiple dates at times (for example there is an {{Odate}} template, for the date of an original work and the date of this version, for derivative works such as vectorizations). Carl Lindberg (talk) 13:06, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think it makes a lot of sense to add a new parameter to {{Information}}. It's specifically intended to be the "simple to use" template. If you have more complex needs you always have the option of choosing from the series of templates based on {{Artwork}}, which incudes {{Photograph}}, {{Book}}, {{Map}} and several others. These all support the "Publication date" parameter. In addition, if you really want to use {{Information}} and don't want to choose one from the {{Artwork}} series of templates, you have several other existing options for adding a publication date to a file using the information template: (1) embrace the simplicity and just mention the publication in the description or permission arguments, or (2) use the "other fields" parameter like "
- @Sebbog13: Would "publication date" work for you? — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 02:40, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
@JimKillock, Sebbog13, Jeff G., Jarekt, and Clindberg: Generally, parameter name "date" leaves it unclear what date may be meant. Date of creation, last modification, first publication, secondary publication (of the last source used) etc. If someone publishes an edited photo (for example, a cutout), they rarely remember that the original work and the derivative work are two different works that have different authors and different dates of creation, but for the derivative work, it is appropriate to indicate not only the date of creation of the cutout, but also the date when was taken the original photo. I think every date in the date field needs an additional specification of what it means. I consistently use the template {{Taken on}} for photos, to distinguish from possible post-production editing. For other graphic creations (maps, charts, coats of arms, flags), the date of first publication may be more relevant than the date of creation which is a purely private matter of the creator. --ŠJů (talk) 00:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Any of those dates can matter and are of interest. I would put any known dates into the Date field, with labels. Different types of dates could be put in different structured data fields, I'm sure. Carl Lindberg (talk) 00:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- {{Information}} template is a minimalistic bare-bones template that has mostly the same fields since the day it was created. Every year there are few dozen proposals to add different fields to it, and many of the proposed fields were added to {{Information2}} template. Current set of fields is adequate to great majority of the files on Commons and for the rest we have other infoboxes. I agree that publication date field is important to printed works. That is why we created {{Book}} template. Or one can add it to {{Information}} template using Template:Information field or
|date= XXXX (publication date). --Jarekt (talk) 01:11, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- {{Information}} template is a minimalistic bare-bones template that has mostly the same fields since the day it was created. Every year there are few dozen proposals to add different fields to it, and many of the proposed fields were added to {{Information2}} template. Current set of fields is adequate to great majority of the files on Commons and for the rest we have other infoboxes. I agree that publication date field is important to printed works. That is why we created {{Book}} template. Or one can add it to {{Information}} template using Template:Information field or
Output SVG text
For SVGs could it also output the text included in the SVG? Possibly some LUA code could extract it.
Samples:
- File:Wiki FAQ green.svg: "FAQ" (see <text id="a" in source)
- File:Finland road sign 711 (1969–2007).svg: none (as there is no text in the source).
.svg){kind=link}
If there are several strings, all would be list. This would make the strings searchable. Also, it would be easy to identify which SVG can be localized by editing the strings.
See Commons:Village_pump/Technical#OCR_to_auto-categorize_maps_/_charts_by_year_shown for some discussion. Enhancing999 (talk) 10:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)