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November 24, 2005 Featured article nomination Failure
January 7, 2006 Failed Featured article nominee
January 30, 2006 Featured article nomination Success
February 13, 2006 Featured article by MyNz
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What was his lightsaber color? Violet, am right or wrong?

So Yong Anakin is killed in the second or third movie in a fight with Ben Skywalker. So now I'm right about that.

  • What are you talking about? There were no movies for this timeline. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:43, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

In the behind the scenes section, it says anakin may come back but how is that possible, seeing as how Luke cremated his body, although there may be a chance of a clone...

  • That is feasible, considering the fact that they were in a cloning facility. --User:SFH

Imagery[]

I think this article needs more imagery. We only have an image of Anakin Solo as a young adult though we don't have one of him as a child. We need more pictures of him. Didn't he play an important role in the Junior Jedi Knights series. During a [1] on Google Images, i found lots of pictures of him. --User:MyNz

Image Issue[]

Good, now we have more pictures though its a disgrace that we don't have a picture of him from the Junior Jedi Knights. Well, I notice that on articles for his two older sibblings Jacen and Jaina that there are pictures of them from the Young Jedi Knights.

Sometimes I wonder whether those two get better articles just because they are older and see more action!! I resent any form of discrimination and this is one example! Both series are canonical and young reader's books, thus they should be treated equally. Currently, we have yet to add images to all the articles on the books in the two series.

There's a link that contains a picture of Anakin Solo from Vader's Fortress. Can someone please sort this problem out by uploading this image to the article? MyNz 22:02 26 Dec 2005

Copyright Problems[]

This is outrageous and shameful to all of us! We should have done more to keep the article at a good standard. However, the article being tagged a copyright violation presents us with a window of opportunity. We can improve and make it even better and bigger. We'll have pictures of him from all the series of books he appeared in. I admire him for his heroic actions while in service to the New Republic. He was a genius and was good at technology. He played a role during the Corellian Crisis where he help find and reactivate some ancient planetary repulsors. It was him and Tahiri whom liberated those unfortunate Massassi souls trapped within the Golden Globe and discovered the Kushiban Jedi Master Ikrit. Yes, it was also him along with his Jedi mates whom defeated Orloc - some charlatan whom claim to have Force powers.

Also, during the destruction of Sernpidal, he aided in the evacuation of countless innocent Sernpidalians whom didn't deserve to have their homeworld destroyed. During the Yuuzhan Vong War, he participated in many battles. At the Battle of Dantooine, he helped evacuate countless refugees and help fight off a whole army of Chazrach.

He also played a role at the Battle of Fondor. Also, during the Battle of Duro, he destroyed some space-borne monster called the Ychna. Anakin Solo also played a major role during the Battle of the Jedi Praxeum where he help evacuate countless trainees and helped inspire the downtrodden lower classes of Yuuzhan Vong society to see the Jedi or "Jeedai" as heroes.

Most importantly, he led the Mission to Myrkr and slaughtered so many of the enemy that even they came to admire him. Also, he died fighting for the freedom of the galaxy during that battle. Had the mission failed, lots more Jedi would have been killed by the dangerous Voxyn. He is exactly like his grand uncle Anakin Skywalker since both were regarded as heroes by whom they fought for. And how did we reward him? We gave his some poor-quality article that is now tagged a copyright violation. I think that the rebuilt version should be much better. We should all work together this time!MyNz 22:26 27 Dec 2005

  • Easy my friend. I understand your frustration. Personally, I thought the article was fairly comprehensive to begin with. But where exactly has info been taken from TFN? Also, Anakin Skywalker was Anakin Solo's grandfather. Just a minor grammer mistake I thought I should tell you about. -- SFH 04:33, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)
  • Sounds like you know exactly what needs to be done. I'd say get right on it, then. Kuralyov 04:55, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Copyright Infringement[]

Where exactly is the copyright infringement on this article?

Huge chunks of the Yuuzhan Vong War section along with portions of the Childhood and Training on Yavin IV sections. MyNz 18:47 13 Jan 2006

  • I think the temp page is ready to go on the main page. — Silly Dan 04:34, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)
  • I've subdivided the section on the Yuuzhan Vong War, as it was a little too long. I also readded the Behind the scenes section, mainly the theories about his survival...some of us need a little hope. -- SFH 05:24, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Question about quote[]

Well, I'm currently banned from reading star wars books (nor is there any means by which I can get them as of now--therefore, I don't have them). The quote Nom Anor had on Anakin, about being the "greatest of them all", does anyone remember which specific book that was from? I think it was probably in the Force Heretic books, but I'm not sure. Mirlen 19:13, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)

  • On an unrelated note: One of the quotes says "..wasn't a brother, was he?" Should this be bother?
  • The Nom Anor quote was one he gave while Yu'shaa, in The New Jedi Order: Force Heretic II: Refugee, while preaching to a group of Shamed Ones about the Jeedai heresy. -- SFH 20:37, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Thanks SFH. And yes, it's supposed to 'bother', but I think somebody changed to brother then somebody else reverted back again :P. —Mirlen 21:06, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Question[]

I don't know if this is a good question, but how could he achieve complete onenesses (or whatever it's called) with the Force, if he was included in a Jedi _Strike_ team, which mission was to _attack_ and _destroy_ the cloning facility?! I mean, a real Jedi only uses his/hers powers for defensive purposes. Even though this facility was a threat to the Universe or whatever, I still reckon it's a bit wierd...

- Mesko   23:03, 28 February 2006 (+1GMT)
  • Ummm he died saving the lives of everyone on the strike team. The team's mission was to destroy a threat to the Jedi (and therefore the New Republic) that had already killed several. They were the defenders in the war, attackers in the battle. It was incredibly heroic and a worthy death for a Jedi.
  • Achieving complete oneness with the force and being a jedi do not have to mean the same thing. The jedi are dogmatic, much like catholics are a dogmatic religion within christianity. Oneness with the force relies on complete atunement with the force, having no restriction between the body and the force that flows through it; which does not necessarily require following the jedi code. I think that is fairly clear.
  • Not to mention he gave up a future with Tahiri. Also, sign your posts with 4 tildes(~) and, just asking, why are you using underscores like that? NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 03:54, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Uh, the "onenesses" is called a battle meld, Mesko. And sometimes offense is the best defense. LeiaOrganicSolo 01:55, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Role in NJO[]

Is there a source for Anakin's proposed and rejected role in the NJO series? --SparqMan 03:54, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Yup. It was from the article, "The New Jedi Order in 100 Easy Lessons" in the Star Wars Insider 74, as well as the "Star Wars: New Jedi Order Round-robin Interview." I have changed the article to include specific references using the ref element. BTW, does anyone have the exact quote from the Backstage at the NJO section of the article about switching Anakin's and Jacen's storylines? Unfortunately, I don't have the magazine, though I remember reading that particular article. —Mirlen 18:08, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Shadow Academy and Diversity Alliance[]

Shouldn't there be sections for the Shadow Academy and the Diversity Alliance since those sections are included in Jacen's and Jaina's articles and he did play a part. Unsigned comment by JainaSolo32 (talk • contribs).

  • No, because he didn't play a huge of a role to merit own sections in the article. Generally, you want keep subsections to a minimum. Besides Anakin had plenty of his own adventures in JJK series, where he featured as the main protagonist. All of his adventures there is summarized in his Jedi training section. —Mirlen 21:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Force Ghost[]

It says in this article that anakin solo appears as a force ghost in traitor but it is not true jacen solo sees anakin twice in the book but one time he is jsut hulicinating ( sorry about my spelling) and the other time it is a trap used by a creator to eat jacen. Also in the article on force ghosts anakin is never mentioned as being a force ghost. 69.26.85.244 03:52, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes it does say his name in the force ghost article it just says that it's "questionable" because of Jacen's hulicinations.--Anisolo1138 20:04, 10 July 2007 (UTC)Anisolo1138

Well, the end of Jacen's last meeting with Anakin's ghost/hallucination is that Anakin talks about the Force. He claims it's not dark or light. We are. Jacen yells that's not true, you know, I don't believe it. Anakin says something like, well if I'm in your mind, you must believe it. This was at the Solo apartment. (Or what used to be the Solo apartment.) He stopped Jacen from "falling" of the balcony. LeiaOrganicSolo 01:58, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Birth year[]

  • Is The New Essential Guide to Characters the source for Anakin's birth in 10 ABY? He is born in Empire's End which is dated in 11 ABY. Maybe EE should be dated 10-11 ABY (covering parts of both years). -Fnlayson 21:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Nevermind. I checked in the NEGC at a book store earlier. It says Anakin was born late in the 6th year after Endor (late 10 ABY). -Fnlayson 05:44, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Clarified in the infobox that he was born midway through the year (like Boba Fett was)) QuentinGeorge 05:50, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Oh duh. Anakin is born at the very end of Dark Empire II, not in Empire's End. Their dates are OK. -Fnlayson 05:57, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
      • 10.5 ABY fits the discrepancies between the years given in JJK with the years given in NJO — checked it out recently — Anakin is said to be eleven-years-old while Jaina and Jacen are thirteen in the JJK series while NJO states that Anakin and the twins are a year apart. Didn't notice that before. Anyway, may I ask what the 45 is for? —Mirlen 23:49, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
        • Either one of the Corellian Trilogy or Black Fleet books says the twins and Anakin are 1.5 yr apart. That might explain the differences. The twins weren't born exactly in 9.0 ABY anyway. Unsigned comment by Finlayson (talk • contribs).
        • 45 = number of years after the Great ReSynchronization. -- Ozzel 04:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
          • Thanks Ozzel. But are the Great Resynchronization dates really necessary for characters who lived from New Republic era and on? That system was deprecated after his death. —Mirlen 12:41, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
            • The Imperial Remnant, amongst other government, still uses it. BBY/ABY is purely New Republic dating style, and didn't appear until 25 ABY QuentinGeorge 10:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
              • Well, whether or not Imperial Remnant used that dating system is irrelevant to Anakin Solo. Had he been born under the Imperial Remnant then I could see the reason for using the Great Resynchronization dating system — but Anakin was born under a government that solely uses BBY/ABY. If the New Republic didn't use BBY/ABY until 25 ABY, then I stand corrected. However, I was gathering my info from the article which states that "The Great ReSynchronization system eventually became obsolete under the New Republic and replaced with the current Galactic Standard Calendar, centered around the Battle of Yavin (0 BBY)." I took the sentence as to mean that the system died at 5 ABY (the birth of the New Republic government) and the BBY/ABY was in usage since then. If I am wrong then, I conceed and would then like to add that the article could clarify that so as to prevent confusion in the future (you never know). —Mirlen 02:09, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
              • The page is a little unclear, as stated in the Essential Chronology, the New Republic still used GRS dates until just before the YV War. See Historical Council QuentinGeorge 05:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
                • I conceed, and I see that it is now clarified in the article. Anyway, thanks QuentinGeorge. In encyclopedic terms, using GRS dates is perfectly valid for his date of birth (not so much for his death though since the system was founded before his death but in terms of consistency, one could argue its valid use of GRS), since the system was still used then. Personally, I still don't see any particular necessary usage of GRS dates. *shrugs* But there's encyclopedic reasoning in using GRS in this case, so I stand corrected. —Mirlen 05:14, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
                  • I personally like them, they don't take away any info already there (since we leave the BBY date) and, in the case of individuals like Luke Skywalker it allows us to enter their actual birthdate. QuentinGeorge 05:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
                    • Each to his own I guess. But oh no, I don't dispute the use of GRS in Luke's article — and you maintain a good point about entering the birthdate originally given to him as well as us. My original point was that Anakin wasn't born under a government that used the GRS system (I stand corrected now, since the system wasn't organized until 25 ABY). If someone from the Imperial Remnant was born after 25 ABY, then by all means, it makes absolute sense to use the GRS system. But if someone like Ben Skywalker, who was born in 26.5 ABY, had GRS system usage in his article — then it wouldn't, because Ben was born under the New Republic — which had, by then, organized a new dating system. I mean, who knows what sort of dating system those who lived in BC/BCE used? It's clear that they didn't use the BC/AD system until after Jesus of Nazareth's rise to fame and organization of Christianity. If we knew what sort of dating system was used, then we would use their dating system in their article (in Wikipedia)...but we wouldn't apply the same usage to someone who was born during AD/CE (after BC/BCE) such as George Lucas, would we? No, because that system was deprecated after Lucas's birth. Same case with people like Ben Skywalker, who were born after 25 ABY and under a government that used the new dating system. —Mirlen 13:15, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

about anikin i don't think he is dead listen "racked by guilt of chewies death he does the one thing he thought chewie would do make a bold stand" that is what i have heard from everywhere but i think he went into a force hibirnation like the jedi bunny thing that trained him for a long time but before he did he cloned himself and using the forces made it grow really fast. he is just waiting to return. mabey like chewbacca but that is less likely

  • Humm. You ought make a short story out of that and post in on the SW fanon site or somewhere. -Fnlayson 05:32, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Blue eyes? Where did he get those?[]

Looking at many family pictures of the Solo's and Skywalker's, I have to realize that if neither Han nor Leia had blue eyes, where did he get his blue eyes? I am debating if Leia's genetics from Anakin Skywalker did this or it is out of nowhere.

The genetics would be like this:

Key: Br= Brown Bl=Blue

            A
            n  P
            a  a
            k  d
            i  m
            n  e
     Anakin Bl Br
      Padme Br Br

Considering that Luke is the first born he will take the blue eyes and Leia will take the brown eyes. So in the Solo family, none of the family has blue eyes. From these genes, the chance of Anakin getting these blue eyes are slim to none. (the exact probability of this happening would be 1/8) So the genetics seems out of the question, but there is still the matter that the people who wrote the Star Wars books were not very crazy about Star Wars. So please tell me, how did Anakin Solo get these blue eyes? Unsigned comment by 70.20.75.192 (talk • contribs).

Ever play with dice? The odds against rolling a 2 or a 12 is much greater than the odds of rolling a 6, 7 or 8. Probailities of combination...and yet they happen. Luke didn't get the blue eyes because of being first-born, necessarily...unless genetics is a lot different than I learned. Jacen and Jaina had brown eyes, so I can Anakin being a different "roll," as it were. Also, though...isn't brown dominant, in human eyes? *Goes to check Wikipedia, before returning to comment* --75.2.39.183 01:54, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
  • You are incorrect on how eye-colour is inherited. Basically, there are two genes, that for brown colour, and that for blue colour. B = Brown, b = Blue. Brown is dominant, so a person with one brown eye/blue eye gene mix has brown eyes (Bb), someone with two brown is brown (BB) and someone with two blue is blue (bb). You inherit one gene from each parent - this is totally random, it has nothing to do with birth order. Additionally, the gene isn't "used up" or anything like that. Potentially, eight children can get the same gene from their father, for instance. For the purpose of genetics, green, gray and other light colours are considered "blue". In the case of the Skywalkers, it is like this:
  Anakin --------+-----------Padme
    bb           |            Bb
                 |
                 |
    +------------+-------------+
    |                          |
  Luke (bb) = Mara (bb)      Leia (Bb) = Han (Bb)
            |                          |
            |                          |
           Ben (bb)           +--------+--------+-----------+
                              |                 |           |
          Tenel Ka (bb)  =   Jacen (Bb)  Jaina (BB/Bb)  Anakin (bb)
                         |
                        Allana (bb)

As you can see, Anakin got one blue eyed gene from Han, and one from Leia. Leia's blue eyed gene ultimately came from Anakin, whereas Han had at least one blue eyed ancestor.

As you can see it all works out - we don't know Jaina's exact inheritance, and won't until she has kids. 203.13.2.142 03:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

That was me, PS. QuentinGeorge 03:10, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Oh, and in terms of probability, any child of Anakin and Padme had an even chance to be blue or brown eyed. For Han and Leia, it was a 25% chance of blue eyes, 75% chance of brown eyes. As you can see, the probabilities were fairly well reflected in practice. QuentinGeorge 03:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I think Anakin gets the blue eyes from the Skywalker side. Leia's last name is really Skywalker. I always thought Anakin was like Luke. A bit on the quiet side. So it makes sense if he has blue eyes. LeiaOrganicSolo 02:00, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

  • Remember, we don't know what color eyes Han's parents had. Because blue eyes are recessive, they could have "skipped" a generation and were passed down to Anakin. The blue eyes didn't come form the SKywalker side. I know Luke has blue eyes, but Leia can't inherit any genes from Luke, for they are of the same generation.(EVANTHETOON 01:02, April 25, 2010 (UTC))
  • Scratch that. Anakin Skywalker had blue eyes. Leia may have brown eyes, but she carries the recessive genes for blue eyes. We don't know they color of Han's parent's eyes. However, we know that one would have to have brown eyes, because Han has brown eyes, and one would have to have blue eyes, because Anakin Solo has blue eyes. Anyway, Han and Leia both carry the recessive gene for blue eyes, therefore it can show again. EVANTHETOON 16:37, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

The Secret Tales of Luke's Hand[]

Is this bit really even necessary to the article? I think it would be better if it were removed as it seems to have little relevance to the article and the unsightly non-canon disclaimer could be removed as well. Livingston (The Force will be with you. Always.) 10:09, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it should be deleted. It's in a Star Wars comic book, even if it is non-canon. Besides, it's kinda cute. LeiaOrganicSolo 02:02, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Jaina and Jacen after his death[]

Okay i noticed the article said this: "Anakin's death forced Jacen into a prominent role, pushed his sister Jaina to the edge of the dark side," shouldn't it be that jaina was forced into a prominent role and Jacen was pushed to the edge of the dark side. cuase he eventualy did. JediNTT307 22:51, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

  • It's talking about right after his death. Also, Caedus turned to the dark side for a number of reasons. Steves490 22:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
  • No, Jacen was able to come to terms with his brother's death and Jaina all but fell. Jacen fell for completely different reasons. Read their articles or the books from which that info comes. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 22:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Alright, thanks. JediNTT307 15:50, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Image[]

Has anyone thought about using the image of anakin tahiri and ikrit as the default image? but crop it to where its only anakin's face.

article section[]

Has anyone thought about giving anakin a powers and abilities section?

Powers and Abilities[]

Alright all throughout the NJO we hear that Anakin is powerful, but he doesn't have a Powers and Abilities section to list those powers. Someone should make one Unsigned comment by 66.38.109.245 (talk • contribs).

Lightsaber[]

Anakin's saber was purple/violet before he put the lambent crystal in it. It said that the crystal changed the color of the blade when he placed it in the saber. So what color did it change it to? jedi_master425

I thought it was purple only after he put the Lambent crystal in.--Jj7362 15:59, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Nope in The New Jedi Order: Dark Tide I: Onslaught which is the second novel in the NJO states that his blade is violet. and that was before he got the Lambent crystal.

I seem to remember one spot in Star by Star where it was said to be red, but I'm pretty sure it was still violet when Ganner and Luke used it later in the series.

I've just finished the Edge of Victory books. And his saber was purple/violet before and after he put the lambent crystal in. So if it did change the color it must have just made it either a lighter tint or darker shade of violet. Just guessing. jedi_master425

Powers and Abilities[]

Is anyone going to give Anakin a powers and abilities section? He's the only fully trained jedi knight in the skywalker family who doesn't have one. I haven't read all of the NJO books so I can't do it. jedi_master425

Jimmy?[]

I've seen a couple of things where someone calls him Jimmy WTF is this about

POWERS AND ABILITIES[]

Can somebody please put a powers and abilities section here. He's the only Solo without it and throughout the series he is said to be an extremely powerful jedi. I would do it myself but I haven't read a lot of books with Anakin in it. User: Ason Brozen May 27, 2011

  • I've trying to get someone to do that for long time. Like you I haven't read all the books with Anakin in them. I'm working my way through the NJO series now. I'm hoping someone with more experience than me will do it. He's also the only Jedi of the Skywalker blood line that doesn't have one. jedi_master425 June 29, 2011
    • Done, but it could still use some more work. If anyone else knows a lot more about Anakin Solo's powers and abilities…then by all means, feel free to add on to the new section.JRT2010 06:48, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
      • Anakin's death was not one of the major factors behind Jacen's fall to the dark side. By the events of LOTF, he had largely come to terms with it. What caused his turn was the events at the Home and the influence of Lumiya. I'm rewriting the section to make it more directly relevant to Anakin's contribution and to fix certain choronology mistakes: things like you can't mention Jacen as Darth Caedus before he actually turns. Thanks for working on this. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 04:49, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
        • That's fine. Thanks for the help, but there were some problems with the grammar and a few cases with repetition (like you mentioned twice in the same paragraph that the GAG was a secret police force). Other than that, I'd say the section looks better than it did before either of us got involved on it.JRT2010 09:43, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
          • Thanks for catching those. The section's much, much better than it was. Go team! :D NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 21:52, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Image request[]

So, I am totally ignorant when it comes to uploading images or anything related to that, so could someone do me a favor by cropping this image to show just Anakin? That would add another image for this article: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:Balancepointjc.jpg

--ARC Commander Colt 22:01, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

I would also request images of Anakin from the Invasion comics.--ARC Commander Colt 22:34, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Behind the Scenes[]

Out of curiosity why does the BTS section state Lucas decided to have him killed off when Notes and References number 47 clearly states according to Sue Rostoni (and Shelly Shapiro acknowledging she wasn't actually sure on the decision) that Lucas merely approved it and that the Creative Team came up with the idea for it? Shouldn't it be fixed to reflect it properly? SuperSirius (talk) 01:00, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Sourcing[]

I was wondering if anyone knew the sources for the information marked with the {{Source?}} template? Any help in this area would be greatly appreciated. - Princess GLG 00:51, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

Known Masters[]

Okay, so the infobox states that Anakin's known masters were Luke Skywalker, Ikrit, and Mara Jade Skywalker. I know that Luke was officially Anakin's master in The New Jedi Order: Vector Prime and following. Ikrit took it upon him self to teach and guide Anakin and Tahiri Veila in the Junior Jedi Knights series and in The New Essential Guide to Characters it says that Ikrit was Anakin's "informal mentor." Mara taught Anakin about the Force during their trip to Dantooine in The New Jedi Order: Dark Tide I: Onslaught. So, what constitutes being a "known master"? Is it an informal mentor who teaches them about the Force? Or is it more official? Were Ikrit and Mara really Anakin's masters? - Princess GLG 11:33, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

info[]

'Anakin was unable to return, as the Vong overwhelmed him, and he began fighting them in an intense battle, pouring pure white energy from his fingers to disintegrate the warriors'.

Where is this found in the novel?

Thijsoosterm (talk) 19:44, December 15, 2014 (UTC)

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