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The Rise of Theodore Roosevelt by Edmund Morris
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On completion:

This was an absolutely excellent book. It gave me everything I want from a biography. It chronologically relates all aspects of Theodore Roosevelt's life up to his presidency, after President McKinley's assassination in 1901. The next in the trilogy covers his years in the Presidency: Theodore Rex. I will very soon continue with that! I was worried that it might be repetitive, having years ago read (and loved)David McCullough's Mornings on Horseback. Such a worry was unnecessary. Edmund Morris' book went much further in depth. I completely know now Theodore's personality. I know what he would do and what he would most probably say in a given situation. This author had me laughing at some of the things Theodore had the nerve to say and do! His ego was rather inflated, to say the least, but that doesn't mean I didn't also find him highly worthy of admiration.

Gosh, I have never run into someone with so much energy. Absolutely never. Please read the comments left below this review if you want more details of some of the events in this book. I should say that not a word have I mentioned about Theodore's "Rough Riders" of 1898 and his role in the Spanish-American War. You simply must read the book to find out about that! It is engaging and amazing and funny! This author made some of the events of that war hilariously amusing! Is that possible? Yes!

I honestly cannot think of anything to complain about in relation to this book OR its narration by Mark Deakins. OK, only one thing, and it is so very minor that it is pitiful. The narrator would read the date July 1, 1900, as "July one 1900" rather than "July first 1900". THAT is the only puny complaint I can think of. I compared Deakins narration to the Theodore's own speeches found on Utube. Deakins perfectly bit off and spit out his words, as Theodore learned to do in his fight against asthma.

If you are in the least interested in Theodore Roosevelt, then read this book.....even if it is very long! I will soon be reviewing the next in the trilogy to see if it too is as amusing and interesting and engaging as this one as proved to be! In fact you do not even have to be interested in reading about presidents to choose this book. He is an amazing person. I have never run across someone like this.

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I have listened to about 3/4 of the book. I am thoroughly enjoying it. By that I mean sometimes I feel like clobbering Theodore and then later I want to hug him. He has qualities that are m-a-g-n-i-f-i-c-e-n-t. I like that this author has shown me both sides to such a degree that I hate him and love him. In the comments below this review I have gone into details. If you are looking for more details, please check them out there. Really good book and really good narration by Mark Deakins. Yes, this is long, over 26 hours and only the first of a trilogy, but well worth every minute.

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My first impressions:
Once you get beyond the prologue, this book grabs your attention. I do understand that the purpose of the prologue is to show the outstanding characteristics of the man, but it throws in names and details that have no depth. That is impossible in a prologue; that is why you are reading the book, and this is the first of a trilogy on Theodore Roosevelt. The next, Theodore Rex, covers his two terms as president. Colonel Roosevelt concludes his life story.

What you immediately draw from the prologue is the energy of the man. In 1907 in the White House he shook hands with all those invited to say: “Happy New Year!” Quickly, at the speed of 50 per minute. (Skeptical me….is that possible?) He set a record with this, no one else for a century shook hands so quickly and with so many. But what does this says about him? Think about it. What we immediately grasp from the prologue and then the following chapters on his youth is how the hyperactive youth develops into a man of strength and vitality. From a very young age he has serious bouts of asthma. His father takes him aside and discusses his physical disability. Theodore declares that he will conquer his body! “He will make his body.” His fight for survival shaped him and it strengthened him; it made him a fighter.

From the very first chapters we see the man who came to be a conservationist. He started his “Roosevelt Museum of Natural History”, to the disgust of family and servants. Smelly! He learned taxidermy. He had is head in a book, often standing on one leg that gave him the pose of a flamingo. He scientifically observes the world around him, and what delight he discovers when he finds that with glasses he can actually see the world around him. He had no idea the world could be so sharp. He wrote in a diary. He wrote letters. Many, many remain and they reveal his personality, his inborn humor. In a letter to an Aunt when he is on tour in Egypt he remarks, “I may as well mention that the dress of the inhabitants up to ten years of age is nothing! After that they put on a shirt descended from some remote ancestor and never take it off until their death.” He did like Egypt. He now had glasses and he scientifically observes and records all that he sees of the fauna. The birds, so many birds! But he is still an ordinary boy. He learns to box, to defend himself vis-à-vis peers. He groans over his father dragging them all off for a year in Europe.

How Theodore views his own illness is reflected in this quote from a letter sent to his father when he was a young teenager, alone with two siblings in Dresden. (His father thought it important to encourage his children’s independence.) Here are the lines:

I am at present suffering from a very slight attack of asthma. However, it is but a small attack, and except for the fact that I cannot speak without blowing up like an abridged edition of a hippopotamus, it does not inconvenience me much. We are now studying hard. Excuse my writing; my asthma has made my hand tremble awfully. (chapter 2)

He views even himself with humor. The importance of books, his interest in fauna, his asthma and his staunch character are all evident in these lines.

The prologue was too stuffed, although I do understand its purpose, but then the book takes off with delightful details of Theodore’s youth, the characteristics he was born with and the events that shaped him. This book starts well. I hope it continues so. I just had to tell someone.

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April 11, 2013 – Shelved
April 11, 2013 – Shelved as: audible-us
April 11, 2013 – Shelved as: leaders
April 11, 2013 – Shelved as: usa
April 11, 2013 – Shelved as: history
April 11, 2013 – Shelved as: series
June 5, 2013 – Shelved as: own-unlistened
June 11, 2013 – Started Reading
June 17, 2013 – Shelved as: favorites
June 17, 2013 – Finished Reading

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Chrissie Simran, he is still there, at Harvard. First year he took the set curriculum, but planned to go into science (natural history). However now his father has died. His father had advised him that if he wanted to go into natural history that was fine by him, BUT one cannot spend more than you make so such a choice meant only one thing - frugal living! With his father's death everything may change now, even if they are very wealthy.


Chrissie What happens is that he meet a girl - Alice! She manages to divert his interests toward political science. In his junior year his elected choices were German, philosophy, Zoology and Natural Science. Girls! But Edith, doesn't he end but marrying her instead? Time will tell.


Laura You get a woman involved, and everything changes. He meets Alice and *boom* becomes president! :D


Chrissie Not quite that simple really. First of all Alice did not respond in the affirmative immediately AND I know Edith is still out there. I also remember now a bit more. Poor Theodore. But boy is he drippy about Alice. (Theodore is also kind of a righteous "prude"!)

Another interesting trait of Theodore is revealing itself. When something goes wrong or when he is worried and is unsure of success, he keeps his mouth shut and writes nothing about it. Silence on a subject means he is worried and upset about that subject. By avoiding the topic altogether he never has to admit defeat later. What this means is that he does not reveal his inner thoughts on paper or in talking with others. We can only watch what he does. No spy-hole into his brain. Too bad.


message 5: by Chrissie (last edited Jun 13, 2013 03:13AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Chrissie "On the other hand it does cut down on bad advice." Now that is true.

He is a prude from start to finish. He was definitely a virgin when he married. The question is really how many he had even kissed before marriage! No Benjamin Franklin!


Chrissie Ben certainly did.


Laura Chrissie wrote: ""On the other hand it does cut down on bad advice." Now that is true.

He is a prude from start to finish. He was definitely a virgin when he married. The question is really how many he had even ki..."


Doesn't always mean one is a prude ....

(Couldn't resist)


Chrissie Laura, of course not, if you mean that being a virgin at marriage makes you a prude! It is very difficult to communicate in a fluid manner via the web. To understand his personality one has to read all the details of his behavior.

I don't think people should "judge" others. Let each person decide for themselves what fits for them. If one person feels that sex should be saved for marriage that is just fine. Why put a pejorative slant to it? Relationships are too complicated to make flat rules which must always be followed.

Just my thoughts on the issue. I don't think you should take the word prude so negatively....and I certainly didn't mean it that way.


Laura I wish I'd have waited. I know people who did and it really worked out well. Is why I said it.


Laura But the two sentences were next to each other (#10) so you can see how I could have drawn that inference mayhaps?

No worries I just had to play devil's advocate. I've been called a prude before, I think I'm sensitive to the word. (And obviously that person didn't know me...)


Chrissie Well, we all react on the basis of our own experiences. For me, the most important thing is to let each person figure out what is right for them and the situation they are in. I don't like it when people make rules and assume that that rule will fit all people and circumstances.


message 12: by Chrissie (last edited Jun 13, 2013 07:02AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Chrissie But Laura, you ought to know me a teeny bit by now.... Don't assume that because one person has called you a prude others see you in that light too. THAT is ridiculous. Assuming that I would accuse you of that is so far from my beliefs that is mind boggling. Forget what that idiot said to you!


Laura I'm not saying you were putting that label on me at all. I think maybe we both misunderstood each other.

I've had a busy day, and went offline after my last comment, or I'd have responded sooner....

That's why I said "no worries" up there. No offense was taken.


message 14: by Chrissie (last edited Jun 13, 2013 10:20PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Chrissie Laura wrote: "I'm not saying you were putting that label on me at all. I think maybe we both misunderstood each other.

I've had a busy day, and went offline after my last comment, or I'd have responded soone..."


Good!

The best word to describe this guy is ENERGETIC! He wears me out just reading about all the things he does.


message 15: by Chrissie (last edited Jun 14, 2013 01:30AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Chrissie Simran, you have to read the book yourself.

OK, I will tell you one thing. The author simply relates the facts, and lots of them. Rarely does he add subjective comments. For example, shortly after Theodore's father dies he rides on his horse and in a fit of anger shoots the neighbor's dog. I have a hard time putting together this naturalist who is equally interested in hunting and stuffing birds. When he is frustrated, he zips his mouth and does something physically strenuous. The author rarely adds subjective comments, he relates the facts, and from that we can draw our own conclusions. I have only read one of four parts.

His whirlwind activities, rambunctious character and opinionated views in the state legislature wear me out. He seems so darn sure of himself. Any reservations he has he keeps to himself. I want to come to understand the personality of the person discussed in a biography; I am not just satisfied with what they have done. So far, this book does a good job.

I don't always understand some of the details of the political shenanigans of NY politics at the end of the 1800s; I do get a good picture of the corruption.

This book goes much further than Mornings on Horseback, which I did love. He was so young then. In this book he is now 23, married and into politics. At 23 this guy has done more than many do in their entire life time.

Does that give you enough, Simran?


Laura I have a Q for you. Reading this prior to Horseback - would that be a bad idea? I'm more interested in his career than his youth. Which has kept me away from that one.


message 17: by Chrissie (last edited Jun 14, 2013 04:33AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Chrissie I got a great feel for his family and background, "why he is who he is" in McCullough's book. I absolutely loved learning about his family, and I would recommend that book to everyone. Have you read anything by McCullough?


Laura Yeah, John Adams! I recommended that one to you. :D

Another friend read Horseback and enjoyed it but wanted to understand his life as a president, which is what my initial goal is, as well. I'd like something shorter than 900+ pp tho (getting back to this book).


Chrissie If you are interested in the presidency go for just the second book of this series: Theodore Rex.


Laura Almost 800 pages! Ack! It's already on my TBR. Thanks, Chrissie.


Chrissie In addition if you start with the second book you will get none of the details on his career before presidency, and it is very interesting. A good three fourth of the book I am now reading covers his career before presidency. I think maybe you want to look for something that is shorter and covers his career prior to the presidency too. You could look in the history group.

I am not getting any GR emails. Are you?


Laura Good to know that his career prior is still worth reading about. If I had more time, I'd probably read them all! :)

Yes, I was as of a couple of hours ago.


message 23: by Chrissie (last edited Jun 14, 2013 09:38AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Chrissie My emails are working again. :0)

Learning about how he came into politics is interesting He was an Assemblyman in the State Legislature and did a lot at the Republican Conventions. It is interesting that he says he will not support Blaine in the presidential election of 1884, but then later he does b/c he has was the Republican candidate. He is very hot-tempered.

The author says his favorite pronoun was was "I" and favorite adjective was "manly". Did he say that or does the author think that was true. He had me wondering there. The author does throw in some subjective remarks but not many. The guy remains a bundle of energy and a bit puritanical, but a politician through and through. Now he is off in the Badlands in the Dakotas. I have a hard time dealing with his hunting. He is not eating all that he shoots. Maybe it is just that we look at such behavior differently nowadays? I do like the author, and this is a good book.

If I go on talking you will not have to read the book, I will do it for you..... ;0) Of course you get more from the book than what I am gabbing about, and I have not mentioned some stuff because they are almost spoilers! I will just say that some family events that occur before he is 25 are really terrible.

Yes, his career is interesting and you have to know what has happened to him to understand why he behaves as he does. Why does he go to the Badlands? How long can he separate himself from politics? I don't believe it is good to just look at one section of a person's life; you have to know what came before to fully understand. At the same time I do understand your lack of time, Laura!!!!

I love talking abut the book. But that is enough for you and Simran I hope! I have only read a little more than one quarter.


Laura I enjoy listening to you talk about the book, and I think Simran does, too! It is kind of fun, and I like the way you summarize and relate to the different things. I agree with you that I think it's not cool when people shoot things and don't eat them, but I think you make a great point - probably wasn't always that way to think like that. Maybe it would have been for some (like me and maybe you also). But who knows?


Chrissie His killing is excessive, and I don't see any reason for it and after that shooting of the dog it pisses me off.


Laura I can sure understand why. It does make me wonder a bit.


Chrissie Well, the book has my head twirling. I am learning lots about Theodore. Some things I like, some things I don't. In any case, the reader comes to thoroughly understand who he was.


Laura Which is what we want when we read biographies. It does sound like a good one.


Chrissie Yep, well that is what you and I want. I do think some are more interested in the exact historical facts!


Chrissie Simran, do you want to know what I don't like about him? He is so darn full of himself!


Chrissie Yeah, you ARE absolutely right.


Laura I think almost all presidents are a bit conceited....they'd have to be! Not saying it's a stellar quality, but to walk around in that arena...


Chrissie Oh gosh some of the stuff sprouting out of his mouth about how whites must civilize aborigines, natives and Indians makes me sick. I think I will go to bed instead of listening to this crap.


Laura Yup, I'd be signing off too.


message 35: by Chrissie (last edited Jun 16, 2013 02:03AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Chrissie He is so pro-expansionist American. I guess it is hard to judge from today how people thought then. Her writes all this sophistry in the numerous volumes of his "The Winning of the West".

Now he has moved from his position as Civil Service Commissioner under President Grover Cleveland (a democrat) to his position as Police Commissioner under NY Mayor William Strong(Republican). Consistently he fights for reform against rampant corruption. I do very much admire the support he proffers his SIL Anna Hall vis-à-vis his younger brother Elliott, who is epileptic, drinks and has mistresses. The support he gave could easily have hurt his own political career. The book is good; it shows faults and attributes. He is such a rambunctious whirlwind and fighter. He is SO vituperative.


message 36: by Chrissie (last edited Jun 16, 2013 01:10AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Chrissie Oh, I had to tell you this. I am not the only one "annoyed" with Theodore's manner. Yep, it is great the vigor and energy he throws into combating police bureaucracy, but his sharp, exasperating tone of voice seems to say to all, "What do you amount to anyway?!" That is the view of one of his fellow police commissioners, not mine. He bites off his words. The narrator does an excellent job of reproducing his manner. He spits his Ps. I don't mind watching him, but I will keep my distance.

He is 36 now and has five kids. So far very little is said about his wife..... Except maybe that she will chime in with the reminder that they cannot do that; they do not have the funds. He just doesn't think about the financial consequence of some decisions.


message 37: by Chrissie (last edited Jun 16, 2013 02:13AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Chrissie Now I love him again. He works so hard. He consistently has to fight, and he consistently finds something evil to combat. He attacks the corrupt police force in NYC, from top to bottom. He forces Burns, the Chief of Police to "retire"; then Williams retires too. What does he do next? He makes his own nightly patrols to see that the patrolmen are doing there job. Some he finds eating oysters, others sleeping, others are found "under skirts"! First he has a reporter with him, then he continues with spot checks w/o reporters to keep all on their toes. He is smart and thinks how he can best bring about the necessary changes. Yeah, one cannot help but admire him.

The book does have humor; how the sentences are written makes you smile, as in the example about the policemen "found under skirts".


Chrissie 1895.


message 39: by Chrissie (last edited Jun 16, 2013 03:53AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Chrissie Yes, that would be interesting to see if the narrator accurately impersonates how he speaks. The text explains this in words. I am off to Utube. thanks for the idea.

The guy is amazing. I admire how he does things that will NOT make him popular, for example now he is enforcing the laws that demand that saloons are kept closed on Sundays.

ETA: "Nearly two thirds of the political leaders of Tammany Hall have been at one time or another in the liquor business," the author quotes Theodore as having said.


Chrissie Simran, the narration IS very good, after having compared it to the Utube recordings. You hear how he clips off his words and spits them out. When he was young his asthma made it difficult to speak, he had to push the words out.


Chrissie I added a note to message 54.

I cannot say I like his voice, but that it is accurately represented is what I want in the audio format. The audiobook is clearer than what you hear on Utube. THANK YOU for suggesting this to me.

What I have done, that was also fun, was to look at images of the Badlands in the Dakotas at Google.


Laura It's good you're liking him again. Not easy fighting corruption in government. We need more of those in the here and now!


Chrissie Laura, you should see what happens when he t-r-i-e-s to fight the corrupt police force in NYC. Very well written and there are lots of amusing lines. I think this will have to be five star book.


Laura That's excellent news. Great to hear it.


Laura Badlands is awesome in person, Simran. I was 16 and don't remember much more than that about that place, but Utah and Colorado IMO are our most beautiful states. (I rode from California to Maryland with my sister.)


Laura Um just a car. lol. My parents didn't want her driving back from college alone, so they flew me out and we drove back together.


Laura Well I didn't drive, I wasn't licensed lol.


message 48: by Chrissie (last edited Jun 16, 2013 10:59PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Chrissie If you are interested in seeing the badlands where Theodore was ranching, look up the "Theodore Roosevelt National Park" at Wiki. This is in western North Dakota. Doig's book also are filled with such landscapes, buttes and canyons. Strikingly beautiful but difficult terrain to cross.

Laura, that must have been terribly fun doing that with your sister. Any particular fun memories? You must have something to tell us - two girls driving all that way. Do tell us! What college did your sister attend?

Have you guys seen the coastline in Washington and Oregon? My brother may be moving there from San Francisco. Gorgeous. He went to Reed in Oregon.


Laura Haha, yes, definitely some stories that would take more time than I have right now to tell but it was a trip neither of us will ever forget. I've wanted to repeat it ever since. Vic and I want to do it ourselves, too. I think everyone should do it. It was amazing.


Chrissie Peter is 64. I haven't seen him in maybe eight years. We do talk on the phone several times a week, more so now since my mom's death. He is the only one of the family to move back to the States.


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