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Jews Don’t Count by David Baddiel
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Jews Don’t Count (original 2020; edition 2022)

by David Baddiel (Author)

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I did not like this for many reasons, but they are far too numerous to list. TLDR: the author and I disagree on what Jewish identity is and if racialization should even be a goal. Also, I hate Twitter. ( )
  Eavans | Feb 4, 2024 |
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I did not like this for many reasons, but they are far too numerous to list. TLDR: the author and I disagree on what Jewish identity is and if racialization should even be a goal. Also, I hate Twitter. ( )
  Eavans | Feb 4, 2024 |
A very interesting read that will certainly make you reevaluate what you see and read in the media. I thought some parts of the book were weak but I think that’s due to it being a short read and some points not being expanded on. Definitely worth reading overall. ( )
1 vote thewestwing | Aug 12, 2022 |
Excellent, intensely engaged and thought-provoking. ( )
  ManipledMutineer | Jun 6, 2022 |
Jews Count

I have very mixed feelings about this book. It is a topic very close and personal, so this review will be quite long. If you don’t want to read the whole thing, here’s the short version: maybe read this if you are a woke progressive, although I am doubtful it will influence your thinking. Don’t read it if you’re Jewish and proud, because it will just make you angry. If you are a gentile genuinely interested in contemporary anti-semitism, read Dara Horn’s “People Love Dead Jews” instead of this one.

I am a decade older than the author, and grew up in New York (and have heard many gentiles say to me “Oh, you’re from Jew York, yuck yuck”). My parents were refugees from Europe who had large swaths of their family murdered by Nazis. Everyone of my childhood friends had parents who were either refugees or camp survivors. I have years of direct experience with Jew hatred, particularly since I grew up Orthodox and wore a kippa. Many times walking the streets of “Jew York”, I was called “hebe”, “dirty Jew” etc. There were universities I didn’t apply too because I knew they didn’t accept many Jews (here’s looking at you Princeton and Brown). I did try Harvard but I guess I exceeded their Jew quota.

I went to Columbia College (their Jew quota was larger, being in Jew York). There I dropped religion. In my senior year I decided to wear a kippa again, to express Jewish pride—not as a religious symbol. A friend who was the student union president of this most liberal university, asked to talk to me in private. He said to me “I don’t understand why you decided to do this, but as a friend I really suggest you reconsider.” Totally surprised and taken aback, I asked why. He said “well, you don’t want to be considered one of them.” My blood ran cold, but I asked him, even though I knew the answer “What do you mean by them?” Without shame he said “Oh you know, loud, pushy, money grubbing” I can go on and on, but the point is Jew hatred and me go way back.

My university education turned me into an old-school follower of Enlightenment values. I am appalled by so-called “progressive” (in my day known as “New Left “) obsession with identity politics. This book is essentially a long whine by the author directed at woke people, begging them to include Jews in the holy inner circle of the oppressed. Since I am neither woke and don’t need to learn about anti-semitism, this book wasn’t written for me. I might be persuaded that perhaps it’s a good thing that one of their own points out to “progressives” just how two-faced, hypocritical and racist they are when it comes to Jews. The author makes some good points. But overall, he totally misunderstands what Jewish pride means and what the appropriate response to Jew hatred should be. He also turns out to behave exactly the same way as those he criticizes.

To fully explain what I mean, here is an extensive quote from Dara Horn’s “People Love Dead Jews” an excellent book covering the same territory as this one, just infinitely wiser, better written, more authentic and true. Her book helped me cleanse the bad taste this book left in my mouth, and clarify what was so awful about it:

“[Bigotry] doesn’t involve ‘intolerance’ or ‘persecution,’ at least not at first. Instead, it looks likes the Jews themselves are choosing to reject their own traditions. It is a form of weaponized shame.

Two distinct patterns of antisemitism can be identified by the Jewish holidays that celebrate triumphs over them: Purim and Hanukkah. In the Purim version of antisemitism, exemplified by the Persian genocidal decrees in the biblical Book of Esther, the goal is openly stated and unambiguous: Kill all the Jews. In the Hanukkah version of antisemitism, whose appearances range from the Spanish Inquisition to the Soviet regime, the goal is still to eliminate Jewish civilization. But in the Hanukkah version, this goal could theoretically be accomplished simply by destroying Jewish civilization, while leaving the warm, de-Jewed bodies of its former practitioners intact.

For this reason, the Hanukkah version of antisemitism often employs Jews as its agents. It requires not dead Jews but cool Jews: those willing to give up whatever specific aspect of Jewish civilization is currently uncool.”

Baddiel fits this description perfectly. Here is what he says about his Jewish identity:

“my Jewish identity is about Groucho Marx, and Larry David, and Sarah Silverman, and Philip Roth, and Seinfeld, and Saul Bellow, and pickled herring, and Passovers in Cricklewood in 1973, and my mother being a refugee from the Nazis, and wearing a yarmulke at my Jewish primary school – and none of that has anything to do with a Middle Eastern country three thousand miles away. And also: Israelis aren’t very Jewish anyway, as far as my relationship with Jewishness is concerned. They’re too macho, too ripped and aggressive and confident. As I say of them – or, to be precise, Lenny, a Jewish-American taxi driver character I invented for my film The Infidel, says of them – ‘Jews without angst, without guilt. So not really Jews at all.”

in other words, being Jewish for Baddiel is all the “cool” things. As for the most “uncool” part of being Jewish these days—particularly for “progressives”—namely Israel, well, Israelis aren’t really Jews at all! Baddiel, who so wants to “count” amongst his “progressive” friends is willing to unashamedly say the largest Jewish community in the world just doesn’t count!

I will quote Horn one more time, because she says far better than I, exactly what Baddiel makes me feel:

“Uncoolness is pretty much Judaism’s brand, which is why cool people find it so threatening—and why Jews who are willing to become cool are absolutely necessary to Hanukkah antisemitism’s success. These ‘converted’ Jews are used to demonstrate the good intentions of the regime—which of course isn’t antisemitic but merely requires that its Jews publicly flush thousands of years of Jewish civilization down the toilet in exchange for the worthy prize of not being treated like dirt, or not being murdered. For a few years. Maybe.” ( )
2 vote aront | Apr 16, 2022 |
A bold and insightful read. Baddiel is bringing to our attention the concept of 'the hierarchy of racism', and that in the current environment, of all the 'protected identities' Jewishness is either at the bottom or non-existent, especially in the progressive left. The book gives a number of examples where this is shown to be the case (in politics, online, in interviews, tv programmes).

The two key reasons he feels that Jews don't count are because:

A) On the whole, Jews are white, and are perceived to belong to the 'privileged' group (although historically they have been perceived as not quite white enough).

B) Jews tend to be perceived as powerful and wealthy (the reality, in a survey of the 13.1 million international millionaires* who identify as religious: 56.2% Christian, 6.5% Muslim, 3.9% Hindu, and 1.7% Jewish).

Although for the most part he seems to believe the rise in antisemitism is part of unconscious bias in cultures, and he in no way suggests that other protected identities should be 'down graded' within the hierarchy, he wants Jewishness to be seen equally as a minority and for there not to be a hierarchy at all.

Perhaps if Whoopi Goldberg had read this book, she may not have blundered recently. I certainly learn't plenty from reading it. It will need a reread soon.

*New World Wealth organisation. ( )
  Caroline_McElwee | Feb 7, 2022 |
Imagine the uproar that would result today from having white people portray Blacks and Asians in movies, plays, and television programs. Much of the same would happen if the character was disabled, gay, or trans. Such changes were very common for a long time until audiences and producers became more aware of how insulting it was.
Now think about all the shows with Jewish characters being portrayed by non-Jews. It happens frequently–Mrs. Maisel and her parents, the main characters in Falsettos on Broadway (whose first song is “Four Jews in a Room”), Valerie Harper as Golda Meir. When the character is reduced to a stereotype, it’s no different than white actors appearing in black face. In many cases, the original characters are no longer Jewish. The only difference today is that people don’t seem to care. Non-Jewish actors have not been replaced by Jews in the roles. The stereotypes remain in place.
David Baddiel discusses this issue, and more, in JEWS DON’T COUNT.
During the Black Lives Matter protests and as part of the #MeToo movement-- primarily progressive movements--people who were not members of the groups experiencing the problems were urged to listen, to learn, to accept and not challenge, when others speak about their experiences. Except, it seems, when Jews do. (Jews were highly supportive of both movements as well as other civil rights movements. The reverse has not been true.)
Not recognizing or ignoring anti-Semitism is a serious problem in both the US and Europe. (The author and book are based on British examples.) Huge increases in attacks against Jews in UK, USA, etc. 600% increase in UK. In US in 2018, 60% of all religiously motivated hate crimes were perpetrated against Jews (by contrast 18.65 targeted Muslims.) In 2021, the US, Jews the numbers are continuing to rise.
One reason that anti-Semitism is ignored is that too many people consider Jews as white, not recognizing that they do not have the same status as white Christians in our society. Some people say Jews are rich (A study by the New World Wealth found that 56.2 percent of the 13.1 million millionaires in the world were Christian, while 6.5 percent were Muslim, 3.9 percent were Hindu, and 1.7 percent were Jewish) but turn that into a negative by saying they are greedy, unethical, or miserly. Of course, not all Jews are rich. And that unfound accusation has been around for centuries.
Some people base their anti-Jewish feelings on a disapproval of Israel and its politics but place the blame on all Jews, as Hitler did with anyone with a Jewish grandparent, and excuse some of the same government actions when carried out by countries other than Israel.
Denying or erasing the experiences of Jews today makes the problem even worse. Jews must count. ( )
  Judiex | Jan 12, 2022 |
I found it useful and it kinda articulated my own emotions about the Left and their approach to Jews, so it was a useful aide memoire. What I felt it sidestepped was Zionism because he personally claims not to care about Israel’s existence. He even said he barely considers Israelis as Jewish because they are so confident. A Jewish friend of mine who is anti-Zion but believes a lot of protests about Israel are anti-Semitic explained it to me really well so I felt I understood. Unfortunately I forgot what he said (we had a lot of wine that night) and I hoped the book would help me with that so that was disappointing.

I thought the feeling ‘safe’ as a white person was especially well done and I could finally see how it does feel to be white and how it is different. And the hierarchy of minorities was particularly insightful. ( )
  mumoftheanimals | Apr 19, 2021 |
This is a brilliant book and I encourage all my non-Jewish friends to read it. My Jewish friends will not need to read it because what Baddiel writes — and he writes really well — is something they already understand.

The publishers summarised it this way: this “is a book for people who consider themselves on the right side of history. People fighting the good fight against homophobia, disablism, transphobia and, particularly racism … one type of racism has been left out of this fight … [Baddiel] outlines why and how, in a time of intensely heightened awareness of minorities, Jews don’t count as a real minority; and why they should.”

This is a complex argument and rather than attempt to summarise it, and get some of it wrong, I suggest that people read it. It’s a very short book, just 123 pages. It may change the way you think about Jews, anti-semitism and racism. Or not. ( )
1 vote ericlee | Feb 10, 2021 |
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